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post 08.04.2007 17:17
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Zetknęliście się kiedyś z teorią, że Harry naprawdę ma oczy swojej matki? Że ma je w sensie dosłownym. Że to są jej własne oczy.

W artykule z Mugelnetu do którego dałem link w temacie o okładkach ten temat jest poruszony i wydał mi się ciekawy, tym bardziej, że już od dawna wiadomo, że w siódmym tomie ma być coś na temat tego podobieństwa.

Potter często pamięta zielone światło. Refleks wspomnienia Avady. A jeśli wtedy oślepł? Bez sensu? No nie wiem, nie wiem...

Kto wie, może wiąże się z tym jakaś potężna magia - nawet sposób komunikacji? Im więcej o tym myślę, tym bardziej mnie to nurtuje. Nie ma dowodów, ale uporczywe powtarzanie Harry'emu, że ma oczy swojej matki (tak właśnie! zawsze ten idiom, który można przecież rozumieć dosłownie, ale nikomu nie przychodzi to do głowy; nigdy 'masz oczy jak Twoja matka', przynajmniej nie przypominam sobie...) wydaje mi się tropem. Czymś ważnym.

Druga rzecz poruszona w tym artykule (raczej jedna z wielu) to kwestia pewnie już tu poruszana. Dlaczego Voldemort chciał pozwolić Lilly żyć? Jest tylko jedna sensowna odpowiedź. Wiedziała (lub umiała) coś, czego potrzebował. Voldemort nie ma miękkiej strony duszy. Zatem co to była za wiedza?

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Isis and the Secret Name of Ra

Now the important thing about Harry’s mother, the really, really significant thing, you’re going to find out in 2 parts...you’ll find out something very significant about her in Book 5, then you’ll find out something incredibly important about her in Book 7...both of them are very important in what Harry ends up having to do.[28]

This something “incredibly important” about Lily still to be revealed, I believe, would have been demonstrated in the missing Godric’s Hollow scene. As discussed, Lily possessed something that Voldemort needed her alive to obtain. Knowledge. And there is only one thing that Voldemort truly cares about--eternal life.

To get an idea of what connections Lily may have had to eternal life, we must look to the ancient Egyptian goddess Isis. Isis was a mother goddess greatly renowned for her magical skills and honored as the purest example of a loving wife and mother. She gave birth to Horus, who was destined to avenge his father’s murder at the hands of his evil uncle Set.[29] When Set attempted to murder the baby Horus, Isis saved her son by healing him from a lethal scorpion sting. In fact, the tiet, an amulet also known as the “Knot of Isis” or the “Blood of Isis,” was a sign of eternal life or resurrection.[30]

There is one very appealing story of Isis that I think reflects directly on Lily’s secret--Isis and the Secret Name of Ra. According to an ancient Egyptian myth, Isis desired to know the secret name of the great god Ra. She forms a clay snake and leaves it on the path Ra is to pass. The snake bites Ra, who calls for help from among all his children. None have the power, or knowledge, to heal him. Isis claims only she can release the poison, but she requires payment from him first--Ra must reveal to her his secret name. He does so only with the condition that she share it with no one else but her son Horus, and binds the promise with Horus’ eyes.

These selections come from the beautiful verses which make up this well-known (to ancient Egyptians) myth. To them it was revered as a spell to repel poisons:

Now Isis is a wise woman,
more rebellious in her heart than a million men,
more choice than millions of gods,
more to reckon than millions of spirits.
She was ignorant of nothing in heaven and earth like Ra,
maker of what is under the earth. The goddess
she decided in her heart
to know the name of the noble god.

Here we have Lily, the charming, witty, intelligent woman who everyone, including Slughorn and James (and possibly Snape), seemed to have adored.

After being bitten, Ra laments:

I have many names, many forms...
My father and my mother told me my name
and I hid it from my children, in my body
to prevent it happening that a male or female magician strike against me.

Sounds remarkably similar to Tom Riddle creating the secret name of Voldemort, which wizards and witches will fear to speak, and thereby hiding his birth-name and his humble early years, which could, as Dumbledore hoped, provide insight to his vulnerability.

Then said Isis to Ra:

'Tell me your name, my divine father
A man lives when called by his name.'

Ra tells her many euphemisms for his name, but not his secret, divine name. Finally, Isis beseeches:

'Your name is not among those you have told me:
tell it to me.
The poison leaves a man when his name is pronounced.'

Dumbledore (Hermione in the movie) insisted, “Fear of a name increases fear of the thing itself.”[31]

Ra, in agony, tells Isis his secret name, with the exhortation:

If it happens as the time of the desire going out to you,
tell it to the son, Horus,
when you have bound him by an oath of god,
the granting of the god his two eyes.'
The great god raised up in his name
to Isis great in words of power.
'Fail, scorpion, go out from Ra,
eye of Horus, go out from the god,
Burning of the mouth,
I am the one who made you, I am the one who sent you,
Fall to ground, poison,
I have power, see the great god has raised up in his name.
Ra lives, the poison has died.[32]

Let’s see, we have a secret name of a divine god, snakes and poisons, and the son, Horus, binding of his two eyes. Which all translates into Harry Potter language as: Lily was a very powerful, charming witch who had knowledge beyond the ordinary, most probably the very secret work that went on behind the locked door in the Department of Mysteries. She guarded knowledge that Voldemort wanted desperately to obtain, one he believed related directly to obtaining immortality. She also possessed a strong love for her son which led her to make a willing sacrifice and save his life. And by willingly shedding her own blood, she left her son with a protective amulet in his skin...his very own Eye of Horus.



The Eye of Horus

In Egyptian mythology, Isis’ husband, Osiris, the god of the underworld, represents the deceased pharoah, whereas their son Horus, prince of the gods, god of the sky, is the embodiment of the living pharoah. Horus is a god symbolized by a falcon, or, as Horus of Edfu, by a winged solar disk or a lion with the head of a hawk.[33] Sounds a bit like our Gryffindor Seeker, doesn’t it?

Horus’ uncle, Set, killed Osiris to gain control of Egypt. After Set tried to kill Horus, and Isis restored her son to life, Horus began an epic battle to avenge his murdered father and finally defeated Set. However, during the course of the battle, Set tore Horus’ left eye out. It was restored with magic by the god Thoth and became the magical Eye of Horus.

Sometimes, when he strained his memory during long hours in his cupboard, he came up with a strange vision: a blinding flash of green light and a burning pain on his forehead.[34]

As has been repeated over and over in the series, Voldemort’s Avada Kedavra did not kill Harry due to his mother’s protection, thus making him The-Boy-Who-Lived. However, it seems highly likely that the blinding and burning sensory images Harry retains point to some serious initial damage. Maybe he was even blinded.

This theory may truly be going out on a Whomping Willow limb, but I’ve always wondered if the incessant repetition of Harry having his mother’s eyes was a literal thing--Harry truly has Lily’s eyes. What if he was blinded by the Avada Kedavra, and Snape did an emergency “transplant” or switching spell? However, I can think of no purpose for Harry to have Lily’s eyes in this manner...unless it allowed Lily to watch over her son from behind the veil.

The Eye of Horus is thematically related to the concept of the “third eye,” associated with visions and out-of-body experiences, and Harry has definitely experienced those. Although many believe all possess a third eye, it is only Seers who have developed the ability to use theirs.

JKR has hinted that the location of the scar is more important than the shape. “The shape is not the most significant aspect of that scar, and that's all I'm going to say.”[35] The location, on the forehead, could mark it as a third eye reference.

Many fans have long hoped (along with Harry) that Sirius was carrying his magical mirror when he fell behind the veil in the Department of Mysteries, thereby enabling Sirius at some point to communicate with his godson from the Otherworld. But, what if his “mother’s eyes” could act as a two-way mirror? Maybe all along Harry has possessed the ability to communicate with his mother, and simply not understood it. After all, in his skepticism regarding Divination, and his abhorrence of Occlumency and Legilimency lessons with Snape, Harry has never seriously pursued development of his “inner eye.”

However, before this Whomping Willow limb belts me one, let’s move to safer ground.

The Eye of Horus was an amulet of healing and resurrection. One of the most revered and powerful amulets in ancient Egypt, the Eye provided protection from evil. It was a symbol of royal strength and assisted in the rebirth of the deceased.[36].

The healed eye, known as the wedjat, was also the symbol for the return of order after chaos. “The Eye of Horus is the greatest gift of all, and it constitutes the quintessence of gifts.”[37] Harry Potter readers can definitely see how this gift, in the form of Harry’s scar, was celebrated among the witches and wizards as the sign of delivery from Voldemort’s reign of terror.

The Eye of Horus is the granddaddy of apotropaic amulets, meaning a talisman that turns back harm or evil. In fact, the eye amulet was so popular it spread throughout the region and the centuries, morphing and adapting to various cultures, but always retaining the staring single eye. It is truly very old magic.

The Eye still exists in various incarnations even today. It is very popular throughout the Middle East, especially in Turkey where it is known as nazar boncuk. (There is an interesting “Curiosity” comparing the nazar boncuk to Mad-Eye Moody’s eye in Wizarding World Press’ Ultimate Unofficial Guide to the Mysteries of Harry Potter (Analysis of Book 5), p. 25).

Disks or balls, consisting of concentric blue and white circles (usually, from inside to outside, dark blue, light blue, white, dark blue) representing an evil eye are common apotropaic talismans in the Middle East...in some forms of the folklore, the staring eyes are supposed to bend the malicious gaze back to the sorcerer.[38]

In Turkey you will still see many young children with a nazar boncuk pinned to their clothing, placed there protectively by their loving mothers. With her sacrifice, Lily effectively pinned a boncuk, an Eye of Horus, to Harry. Her willing blood sacrifice acted as an amulet turning back the malicious curse onto the one who cast it.

Another interesting similarity--when a nazar boncuk has done its job, it cracks. A cracked eye amulet is a symbol that a curse has been repelled. Just like Harry’s cracked forehead.



A Dittany of Love, Snape’s Moment of Choice

So, there baby Harry lies in his cot, with a dead mother and a cracked forehead. I think we have tantalizing images of what could have happened next in the “Sectumsempra” chapter of HBP.

Snape had burst into the room, his face livid. Pushing Harry roughly aside, he knelt over Malfoy, drew his wand and traced it over the deep wounds Harry’s curse had made, muttering an incantation that sounded almost like song. The flow of blood seemed to ease; Snape wiped the residue from Malfoy’s face and repeated his spell. Now the wounds seemed to be knitting.

Snape says:

“There may be a certain amount of scarring, but if you take dittany immediately we might avoid even that...come...”[39]

I think JKR considered it crucial for the reader to see Snape healing a serious, bloody wound that possibly could leave a scar with phoenix-like song because we will see it again in the Godric’s Hollow memory. In my theory, Snape, on hand after the infamous backfired curse, bends over baby Harry, knitting the baby’s wounds, acting immediately to prevent too much blood loss, but, without dittany handy, unable to prevent the scarring.

It's interesting to note that dittany, mentioned as early as Philosopher’s/Sorcerer’s Stone on p. 229, is a perennial plant native only to Crete, where its native name, eronda, means love. “It is thought that wild beasts used to eat it to help them heal themselves when injured by hunters.”[40]

There’s that love and healing theme again...and in Snape’s hands. What if Snape healed Harry’s wound just above his eyes, perhaps even the eyes themselves if there had indeed been blindness? Just as Thoth did to Horus.

In my opinion, there could be only one truly compelling reason for Dumbledore to place such unwavering trust in a former Death Eater--because in a moment when Snape could have chosen incredible personal gain, he turned his back on his dark history and acted in a way that was of benefit to others. In other words, if Snape had been at Godric’s Hollow and witnessed the demise of Voldemort, if he’d been a true Death Eater, he would have acted in one of two ways:

1. Acted immediately to bring Voldemort back to life and thus earning his master’s eternal gratitude and top lieutenant post, or
2. Used his proximity and knowledge to claim Voldemort’s place of power. In other words, he could have picked up the “Gurg’s helmet” and crowned himself Voldemort II.

Snape did neither. He did not destroy baby Harry, but healed him instead.

It was then, in this moment of true loyalty to Dumbledore’s side, that Snape, in his moment of need, brings Fawkes to his side. Snape uses the phoenix, able to carry immensely heavy loads, to airlift the injured but conscious Frank back to Dumbledore. Frank, possibly now seeing and understanding Snape’s loyalty, relates what occurred at Godric’s Hollow to Dumbledore, who immediately sends Hagrid out to collect baby Harry, and sets in motion his plan for protecting the boy. (Of course, this whole vision is all highly speculative).

Hagrid reports to Dumbledore in the first chapter of Sorcerer’s/Philosopher’s Stone:

“...house was almost destroyed, but I got him out all right before the Muggles started swarmin’ around.”[41]

Avada Kedavra would not destroy a building. But five battling wizards could (count them--James and Voldy, Lily and Voldy, Snape and Frank). Witness the destruction at the Ministry of Magic during Dumbledore and Voldemort’s battle. Or Snape could have destroyed parts of the house to cover evidence--and not necessarily from the Muggle police or the MoM. Snape may have acted immediately to hide crucial clues from the Death Eaters, who would surely come sniffing around as well.

We’ve already seen from canon how Bellatrix and her group were doing their best to track their vanished master. Maybe, just as Pettigrew had destroyed a whole street to hide the fact that his body was not present, Snape destroyed parts of the Potter house to hide one that was--Voldy’s. In this manner he could possibly hinder the Death Eaters from seeing their Dark Lord’s body, knowing he was dead, and following his bodyless soul.

Hagrid never mentioned seeing Snape at Godric’s Hollow (to Harry at least) for several reasons, I believe.

1. Dumbledore probably asked him not to, and Hagrid can keep some secrets,
2. Hagrid did not see him as Snape was off securing Voldemort’s body, or
3. Snape was hidden under the Invisibility Cloak as he feared a reaction from Hagrid similar to Frank’s.
4. And let’s not forget the big one--it would give too much of the plot away too early.

Keep in mind, the Potter home was not totally destroyed, and Snape is not the nurturing type. Just as Snape would never wear a turban[42], he’s not going to sit there and cuddle baby Harry either. Having sent for help, healed Harry’s wounds and assured he was in a safe enough place (and maybe put a silencing charm on him to boot), Snape would be off doing something more important.

We are never told what happened to Voldemort’s body. At the end of HBP, Harry alludes to his parents’ bodies when he mentions visiting their graves in Godric’s Hollow. But no mention is given anywhere in the series (at least as far as I can find) about Voldemort’s. In GoF, Barty Crouch, Jr. transfigures his dead father’s corpse into a bone and buries it in Hagrid’s garden. In HBP, Slughorn transformed himself into a chair and hid amid the self-inflicted destruction of his home. In a similar manner, Snape could have hidden the body of Voldemort by transfiguring it into something that would not be detected in the semi-destroyed Potter house.

A couple of unanswered questions are left:

1. Why didn’t Snape collect Voldemort’s wand?
2. Where did Snape go after this?

Regarding Voldemort’s wand, we know that Pettigrew ended up with it, and it’s reported that JKR said he hid it during the years he lived as a rat.[43] A true but weak Death Eater, Pettigrew had been waiting outside for his master to do his dirty deed. Unnoticed by Snape as the rat he was, Wormtail scurried through the rubble and collected the wand as a life-insurance policy. He was not strong enough to try to claim power for himself, so instead opted to use the situation to his own advantage. After all, who knew when a wand of such power would come in handy...especially should its owner return.

As far as where Snape went after this--I wonder, is it possible to track a bodyless soul? Could Snape have acted so quickly in getting Frank off, healing Harry and then leaving him behind so as to follow Vapormort? Is this how Dumbledore received the information he alludes to years later that Voldemort was hiding out in the woods of Albania?[44]

Before we move on, however, let’s ponder one last supporting thought. In this scenario, Frank Longbottom, in his distrust of Snape, albeit well-meaning, prevented Snape from saving Lily’s, and possibly Harry’s, life. Snape, being the loyal but thoroughly nasty person that he is, forever blamed Longbottom, and thus endlessly tortured Frank’s son, Neville, in Potions. Snape’s motto seems to be “like wizard, like son.”

I believe I have presented a plausible chain of events for how Godric’s Hollow played out. Still, it’s mostly guesswork. For support, I point to the analogies provided between my scenario and scenes that have occurred in the course of the six books.

Still, there’s something missing in all this guesswork. The heart of the matter. What exactly did Voldemort hope to obtain from Lily? What knowledge did she possess?

The Eye of Horus contains further clues, especially when considered alongside Golpalott’s Third Law and Quintessence: A Quest.



Spory fragment. I polecam raczej w kontekście całości. Zgodzę się, że ta teoria jest kontrowersyjna. Nie zgodzę się, że jest niedorzeczna.

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Katon   Harry, You Have Lilly's Eyes...   08.04.2007 17:17
Zakohana w książkach   Rzeczywiście, nigdy nie było powiedziane, że ma oc...   08.04.2007 17:33
LilienSnape   nie no. jak juz to Harry oslepl kiedy Voldemort pr...   08.04.2007 20:40
Katon   Magiczna transplantacja. Już po śmierci Lilly. Ale...   08.04.2007 21:52
Luna Lovegood   Ma oczy matki? Jasne, wydłubał je jej i wymienił s...   08.04.2007 21:52
harolcia   Bardzo ciekawa teoria. Nigdy nie zastanawiałam się...   08.04.2007 21:55
Luna Lovegood   Te oczy to kompletna bzdura(ale będę sobie pluć w ...   08.04.2007 22:00
harolcia   Może masz rację, Luna. Może rzeczywiście to komple...   08.04.2007 22:02
Luna Lovegood   Ha! Wreszcie mi ktoś przyznał rację:D Wątpie, ...   08.04.2007 22:07
Avadakedaver   i takiemu rocznemu dzieciakowi takie wielkie oczy ...   08.04.2007 22:09
Katon   Z całym szacunkiem - bzdurzysz Ty, droga Luno. Jed...   08.04.2007 22:09
Eulalia_Cloak   Jej tajemnicza wiedza? Tak. Oczy? W ogole do mnie ...   08.04.2007 22:16
Katon   A oczywiście wszystko w cyklu było zawsze przyjemn...   08.04.2007 22:18
Luna Lovegood   XD Przepraszam, ale nie chciałamXD Może jednak ...   08.04.2007 22:27
Aylet   wedlug mnie to bez sensu. po kiego grzyba by wymie...   08.04.2007 22:34
Luna Lovegood   Ja zrozumiałam, że twierdzą, że są to te same oczy...   08.04.2007 22:46
Aylet   ale to głupie.   08.04.2007 22:50
Katon   Tak. Te same właśnie. Taka fabularna pułapka z tym...   08.04.2007 22:50
Aylet   no dobra, ale kto by sie zjawił i zrobil transplan...   08.04.2007 22:53
avalanche   przerażacie mnie z tą transplantacją.   08.04.2007 22:57
Luna Lovegood   Katon--- twoja teoria, prawdopodobna jest chyba ty...   08.04.2007 23:09
Aylet   ha! i tu się zgadzam.   08.04.2007 23:13
Luna Lovegood   Boże znowu się ktoś ze mną zgadza:D A co do transp...   08.04.2007 23:26
Katon   Naprawdę myślicie, że przy śmierci Potterów był ob...   08.04.2007 23:33
Aylet   o rany, to podszedl jakis śmierciozerca i po klęsc...   08.04.2007 23:34
Katon   Śmierciożerca? Akurat myślę, że jedynym 'śmier...   08.04.2007 23:39
Aylet   dobra, nie mam więcej argumentów. Jednak całe te p...   08.04.2007 23:41
Bujdka;)   trzeba sobie artykuł przeczynąć. Coś tam z niego w...   08.04.2007 23:41
Katon   [b]Isis and the Secret Name of Ra Now the imp...   08.04.2007 23:46
Aylet   fajnie, tylko że ja angielskiego na tyle nie umiem...   08.04.2007 23:47
Luna Lovegood   Katon.... daj se siana. A Frank siedzial juz w te...   08.04.2007 23:48
Katon   Katon.... daj se siana. A Frank siedzial juz w te...   08.04.2007 23:53
Luna Lovegood   hmm słonko?;p przepraszam panie katon znowu, że si...   09.04.2007 00:09
Katon   No. I teraz wreszcie podyskutujemy normalnie =)   09.04.2007 00:11
avalanche   matko, przebrnęłam przez ten fragment. intrygując...   09.04.2007 00:25
LilienSnape   wezzzzzcie. przeciez nie musieli od razu dlubac t...   09.04.2007 00:44
Luna Lovegood   Dobra przeszłam przez 1 część, mój angielski jest ...   09.04.2007 00:45
Zwodnik   Nie podoba mi się. I już. W zasadzie każda teoria ...   09.04.2007 07:15
Zeti   Transplantacja... nie pasuje mi do Pottera, ale św...   09.04.2007 09:26
Pani N   "Harry, masz oczy swojej matki" - jak to...   09.04.2007 10:25
Zeti   No właśnie dlaczego Lord V pozwoliłby Lilly żyć? T...   09.04.2007 10:29
anagda   Nie, nie, nie... Zaczynasz Katon za bardzo kombino...   09.04.2007 10:57
Katon   Przy egiptologii się nie upieram. Znam tą mitologi...   09.04.2007 11:23
Luna Lovegood   W sumie to podziwiam takich ludzi. Ile czasu na t...   09.04.2007 12:24
avalanche   Why would Frank be the most likely person to respo...   09.04.2007 12:43
Kylie   Ta cała teoria jest jak dla mnie mocno naciągana. ...   09.04.2007 12:49
Katon   Alchemiczna to już nieomal fakty =) 1. Przy śmier...   09.04.2007 13:49
Shmanii   Hm... to, że był tam Frank mogę przyjąć. Nawet log...   09.04.2007 13:59
berQ   W teorię o oczach mógłbym uwierzyć, gdyby była wyp...   09.04.2007 14:11
Shmanii   Ha! Jeśli się sprawdzi (w co wątpię) to nie ty...   09.04.2007 14:15
Kylie   Dobra Katon, teraz ci wierzę. Ta cała teoria ma ...   09.04.2007 14:23
Katon   To oczywiście tylko teoria. Ale po prostu Frank tu...   09.04.2007 15:37
patix   Nie wierzę. A żeby się o cokolwiek zaczepić: Jak...   09.04.2007 15:39
Katon   Filmy mają wiele błędów, których znaczenie wylezie...   09.04.2007 15:47
Katon   Oczywiście, że nie stał i się nie przyglądał. Był ...   09.04.2007 16:23
Eulalia_Cloak   Wiem, ze w ksiazce czesto byly drastycznie wydarze...   09.04.2007 16:47
patix   Dumbledore powiedział wszystko, co wiedział w tamt...   09.04.2007 17:05
Katon   Miał zamiar w ciągu szóstego roku przekazać mu cał...   09.04.2007 17:21
em   e-e. not this time, sherlock. to do mnie nie trafi...   09.04.2007 17:33
Katon   Przeczytam z ciekawością, ale never ever nie uwier...   09.04.2007 17:34
Shmanii   A ja nadal w te oczy nie wierzę. Bo nawet jeśli m...   09.04.2007 19:33
Luna Lovegood   mOżE;P Troche masz racjii co do Franka. Ale to mo...   09.04.2007 22:28
Katon   Ale każdy to znaczy kto? Ile mamy tych każdych w z...   10.04.2007 09:07
Avadakedaver   Katonie, a Ty myślisz ze jak to niby jest? w jakim...   10.04.2007 09:46
smagliczka   Zamieszanie Franka w całą sprawę może być prawdopo...   10.04.2007 13:50
Zeti   Mi też. Ale Snape na początku niezbyt lubił Lilly....   10.04.2007 13:57
Kylie   A ja pomyślałam raczej o Glizdogonie. I to by się ...   10.04.2007 14:00
Zeti   Ale to Snape doniósł o przepowiedni. Bez tego wiad...   10.04.2007 14:02
Kylie   Wiem. Ale to nie zmienia faktu, że raczej Glizdogo...   10.04.2007 14:04
Zeti   No może rzeczywiście. Snape nawet nazywał ją szlam...   10.04.2007 14:13
LilienSnape   no ja te raczej bylabym za Glizdogonem. bo przecie...   10.04.2007 14:16
smagliczka   Ależ OCZYWIŚCIE, że miałam na myśli Snape'a. ...   10.04.2007 14:42
Luna Lovegood   No trzeba przynnać, że on jest tu najlepiej wpaso...   10.04.2007 14:51
smagliczka   Chyba siedzieła w domu z Neville'em :) O Longb...   10.04.2007 15:04
Luna Lovegood   Aniby dlaczego nie Frank?:P A po za tym jeżeli by...   10.04.2007 15:28
Zeti   A może ukryci byli także w Dolinie Godrica. Moze n...   10.04.2007 15:51
smagliczka   Dlaczego akurat paradować po całym kraju? A myśl...   10.04.2007 15:54
Luna Lovegood   Ale chyba nie byli tacy głupi, żeby w jednym mieśc...   10.04.2007 16:54
smagliczka   Trzy razy się oparli, co nie znaczy, że z Voldemor...   10.04.2007 17:14
Luna Lovegood   Dzieki za przypomnenie. Ale to dziwne, że jeżeli s...   10.04.2007 17:59
Katon   Ad 1) Zapominacie o jednej sprawie. Myślę, że Du...   11.04.2007 11:12
Luna Lovegood   Wydaje mi się,że lilly musiała gdzieś pracować. A ...   11.04.2007 12:57
Zeti   Snape pracował tylko dla Voldemorta, więc mozliwe,...   11.04.2007 13:53
smagliczka   James był tak nadziany, że pracować nie musiał. ...   11.04.2007 14:23
Avadakedaver   niestety Katonie, chyba Twoja teoria nie ma powodz...   11.04.2007 23:28
Katarn90   KAton - z calym szacunkiem. Mowisz, ze przy smierc...   12.04.2007 09:13
anagda   Leże... Opierasz jakieś teorie na filmie? No pr...   12.04.2007 15:21
Katarn90   No sorry, ale pokoj zyczen rownie dobrze moze wpro...   12.04.2007 15:34
anagda   Jak to nie? Czy to problem, dać np, że Harry`em...   12.04.2007 20:37
Zwodnik   Wnioskowanie z filmu to głupota. Ale skoro musisz....   12.04.2007 20:39
Zeti   Ja większości filmów opartych na książkach nie ogl...   12.04.2007 20:43
LilienSnape   wole książki. film nie wywołuje we mnie tyle emocj...   12.04.2007 21:28
anagda   Jak miło, że ktoś z magicznego odwiedza moją stron...   12.04.2007 21:29
Zeti   Ostatnio strony przeglądałem, i wpadłem na DT. Cał...   12.04.2007 21:31
anagda   Thanks ;) A wracając do tematu, Ostatnio zabrała...   12.04.2007 21:36
Katarn90   oj matko, żeś się czepiła. I na podstawie tej jedn...   14.04.2007 10:40
anagda   Odniosłam inne wrażenie... Ale ok, koniec. Żeby ...   14.04.2007 14:16
Luna Lovegood   Ej a mi czara się najbardziej podobała! Może ...   14.04.2007 14:39
anagda   istnieje taka możliwość... jednak Jo zbyt często ...   14.04.2007 16:01
Zeti   No cóż, gdyby nie znali pełnej treści przepowiedni...   14.04.2007 17:45
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